Comments on: LOST: “The Man Behind the Curtain” http://www.kulturblog.com/2007/05/lost-the-man-behind-the-curtain/ Kulturblog Tue, 09 Mar 2010 04:01:35 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Jeff G http://www.kulturblog.com/2007/05/lost-the-man-behind-the-curtain/comment-page-2/#comment-50903 Jeff G Tue, 15 May 2007 00:27:10 +0000 http://www.kulturblog.com/2007/05/lost-the-man-behind-the-curtain/#comment-50903 Right, but all of these killings were only derivative to their other, more primary goals of experiments, protecting their cover, etc. I'm not trying to justify the others' actions. I'm only saying that the others' actions do not justify blowing them all to high heaven. As Desmond said, the losties have already killed more others than others have killed losties. Charlie's response that "they started it" isn't terribly persuasive. Right, but all of these killings were only derivative to their other, more primary goals of experiments, protecting their cover, etc. I’m not trying to justify the others’ actions. I’m only saying that the others’ actions do not justify blowing them all to high heaven. As Desmond said, the losties have already killed more others than others have killed losties. Charlie’s response that “they started it” isn’t terribly persuasive.

]]> By: HP http://www.kulturblog.com/2007/05/lost-the-man-behind-the-curtain/comment-page-2/#comment-50885 HP Mon, 14 May 2007 23:37:34 +0000 http://www.kulturblog.com/2007/05/lost-the-man-behind-the-curtain/#comment-50885 "While the other certainly haven’t been hospitable to the Losties, their goal has never been to kill them." Really? They were going to kill Claire. They left Charlie strung from a tree. They killed Steve/Scott. They had Michael kill Ana-Lucia. Goodwin killed the poopy guy. They killed the original Henry Gale. They are planning on kidnapping the women. I think that the Beachies have a fairly accurate idea of who the Others are. “While the other certainly haven’t been hospitable to the Losties, their goal has never been to kill them.”

Really? They were going to kill Claire. They left Charlie strung from a tree. They killed Steve/Scott. They had Michael kill Ana-Lucia. Goodwin killed the poopy guy. They killed the original Henry Gale. They are planning on kidnapping the women. I think that the Beachies have a fairly accurate idea of who the Others are.

]]> By: David J http://www.kulturblog.com/2007/05/lost-the-man-behind-the-curtain/comment-page-2/#comment-50847 David J Mon, 14 May 2007 22:08:43 +0000 http://www.kulturblog.com/2007/05/lost-the-man-behind-the-curtain/#comment-50847 My cousin found this on the web today. Ben's last name is Linus, just like the <i>Peanuts</i> character. Since we know Lost is big on names, there may be some significance. Here's what he found: <i>Linus is the only one who believes in the Great Pumpkin. Though he occasionally convinces other characters the Great Pumpkin is real, they always lose faith, while Linus keeps his. Replace the words slightly: Ben is the only one who believes in the Jacob. Though he occasionally convinces other characters Jacob is real, they always lose faith, while Ben keeps his.</i> My cousin found this on the web today. Ben’s last name is Linus, just like the Peanuts character. Since we know Lost is big on names, there may be some significance. Here’s what he found:

Linus is the only one who believes in the Great Pumpkin. Though he occasionally convinces other characters the Great Pumpkin is real, they always lose faith, while Linus keeps his.

Replace the words slightly:

Ben is the only one who believes in the Jacob. Though he occasionally convinces other characters Jacob is real, they always lose faith, while Ben keeps his.

]]> By: Jeff G http://www.kulturblog.com/2007/05/lost-the-man-behind-the-curtain/comment-page-2/#comment-50752 Jeff G Mon, 14 May 2007 19:33:11 +0000 http://www.kulturblog.com/2007/05/lost-the-man-behind-the-curtain/#comment-50752 I don't know. If that's true, then he should have shared this info with the others rather than simply saying that "they would keep coming". (BTW, in case anybody couldn't tell, this is from the sneak peek.) I don’t know. If that’s true, then he should have shared this info with the others rather than simply saying that “they would keep coming”. (BTW, in case anybody couldn’t tell, this is from the sneak peek.)

]]> By: BTD Greg http://www.kulturblog.com/2007/05/lost-the-man-behind-the-curtain/comment-page-2/#comment-50749 BTD Greg Mon, 14 May 2007 19:26:40 +0000 http://www.kulturblog.com/2007/05/lost-the-man-behind-the-curtain/#comment-50749 Jeff, I agree somewhat. On the other (Other) hand, Jack has presumably learned more about the Others' actual intentions from Juliet, so maybe the response isn't as extreme as we might think. Or maybe Juliet's the real evil genius. Jeff, I agree somewhat. On the other (Other) hand, Jack has presumably learned more about the Others’ actual intentions from Juliet, so maybe the response isn’t as extreme as we might think. Or maybe Juliet’s the real evil genius.

]]> By: Jeff G http://www.kulturblog.com/2007/05/lost-the-man-behind-the-curtain/comment-page-2/#comment-50745 Jeff G Mon, 14 May 2007 19:21:28 +0000 http://www.kulturblog.com/2007/05/lost-the-man-behind-the-curtain/#comment-50745 Alright, so is it just me, or does Jack's plan to blow the others up seem more than a little extreme? While the other certainly haven't been hospitable to the Losties, their goal has never been to kill them. As Tom said, "What kind of people do you think we are?" I personally think that Jack is not being honest with the Losties. Either that, or he has gone absolutely insane. Alright, so is it just me, or does Jack’s plan to blow the others up seem more than a little extreme? While the other certainly haven’t been hospitable to the Losties, their goal has never been to kill them. As Tom said, “What kind of people do you think we are?”

I personally think that Jack is not being honest with the Losties. Either that, or he has gone absolutely insane.

]]> By: Clark Goble http://www.kulturblog.com/2007/05/lost-the-man-behind-the-curtain/comment-page-2/#comment-49955 Clark Goble Sun, 13 May 2007 01:34:13 +0000 http://www.kulturblog.com/2007/05/lost-the-man-behind-the-curtain/#comment-49955 Yeah, as soon as someone mentioned to me that Richard might be a pirate I wondered if the eye liner was doing a Johnny Depp on him. Yeah, as soon as someone mentioned to me that Richard might be a pirate I wondered if the eye liner was doing a Johnny Depp on him.

]]> By: HP http://www.kulturblog.com/2007/05/lost-the-man-behind-the-curtain/comment-page-2/#comment-49942 HP Sun, 13 May 2007 01:02:47 +0000 http://www.kulturblog.com/2007/05/lost-the-man-behind-the-curtain/#comment-49942 Item #1: Special people are people who get hallucinations. What Ben doesn't get about the Lostaways is that so many of them have had visions. Item #2: I agree with the thoughts that Jacob and the Smoke Monster are connected Item #3: I don't think that Jacob is a pirate, but I think that Richard very likely is Item #4: Jacob/The Island/The Smoke Monster have their own agenda and they think that Ben is becoming weak; he isn't just defending his control, he is fighting for his very life. That's what I think anyway. Item #1:
Special people are people who get hallucinations. What Ben doesn’t get about the Lostaways is that so many of them have had visions.

Item #2:
I agree with the thoughts that Jacob and the Smoke Monster are connected

Item #3:
I don’t think that Jacob is a pirate, but I think that Richard very likely is

Item #4:
Jacob/The Island/The Smoke Monster have their own agenda and they think that Ben is becoming weak; he isn’t just defending his control, he is fighting for his very life.

That’s what I think anyway.

]]> By: abel tesfay http://www.kulturblog.com/2007/05/lost-the-man-behind-the-curtain/comment-page-2/#comment-49764 abel tesfay Sat, 12 May 2007 19:54:14 +0000 http://www.kulturblog.com/2007/05/lost-the-man-behind-the-curtain/#comment-49764 If you want to get some really CRAZY chills, check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Marley The character from Scrooge whose name is Jacob. Read the portion under spoilers. The lines that most caught my eye were: "Marley contracted an unspecified illness and died on Christmas Eve. After his death, Marley's spirit was condemned to walk the Earth for all eternity. As punishment for his shutting out of his fellow man, Marley's ghost could observe, but not interact with, living beings." --as well as "At first Scrooge did not believe that Marley's ghost was real, to which Marley asked, "Why do you doubt your senses?" Scrooge explained to him that he was nothing more than a figment of his imagination-"" If that's not eerily similar, I don't know what is. Maybe Jacob WAS a pirate on the Black Pearl and his selfishness got them shipwrecked on the island? I'm thinking that quip about Jacob helping Locke at the end of the episode was a reference to the book, and ALSO that it might actually come true. Could Jacob come to help Locke in some way, and Locke then be visited by the ghosts? We can take this idea, and relate it to the fact that Locke does not want to leave the island because on it he can walk. His life doesn't seem pointless, and beforehand, his father could never find him there. Therein lies Locke's greed which lead him to explode the submarine, he doesn't want anyone jeopardizing him getting off the island. Is Locke, as greedy as he has been, supposed to be the savior of those on the island? And do the other's see him as their savior from Ben who seems to be battling everything and their mother to retain control over them? So much to think about, I don't want to even toss in the idea that Desmond could be Christmast Future ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_of_Christmas_Yet_to_Come ) who can be seen in robes much like Desmond was an episode or two back.. woops, I did :P If you want to get some really CRAZY chills, check this out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Marley

The character from Scrooge whose name is Jacob. Read the portion under spoilers. The lines that most caught my eye were:

“Marley contracted an unspecified illness and died on Christmas Eve. After his death, Marley’s spirit was condemned to walk the Earth for all eternity. As punishment for his shutting out of his fellow man, Marley’s ghost could observe, but not interact with, living beings.”
–as well as
“At first Scrooge did not believe that Marley’s ghost was real, to which Marley asked, “Why do you doubt your senses?” Scrooge explained to him that he was nothing more than a figment of his imagination-”"

If that’s not eerily similar, I don’t know what is. Maybe Jacob WAS a pirate on the Black Pearl and his selfishness got them shipwrecked on the island? I’m thinking that quip about Jacob helping Locke at the end of the episode was a reference to the book, and ALSO that it might actually come true. Could Jacob come to help Locke in some way, and Locke then be visited by the ghosts?

We can take this idea, and relate it to the fact that Locke does not want to leave the island because on it he can walk. His life doesn’t seem pointless, and beforehand, his father could never find him there. Therein lies Locke’s greed which lead him to explode the submarine, he doesn’t want anyone jeopardizing him getting off the island. Is Locke, as greedy as he has been, supposed to be the savior of those on the island? And do the other’s see him as their savior from Ben who seems to be battling everything and their mother to retain control over them?

So much to think about, I don’t want to even toss in the idea that Desmond could be Christmast Future ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_of_Christmas_Yet_to_Come ) who can be seen in robes much like Desmond was an episode or two back.. woops, I did :P

]]> By: Clark http://www.kulturblog.com/2007/05/lost-the-man-behind-the-curtain/comment-page-2/#comment-49629 Clark Sat, 12 May 2007 07:25:27 +0000 http://www.kulturblog.com/2007/05/lost-the-man-behind-the-curtain/#comment-49629 BTW - anyone see <a href="http://www.lostreview.com/2007/05/another-theory-on-abcs-lost.cfm" rel="nofollow">this theory</a> before? Jacob is a telepathic kid who gets "absorbed" by the unusual magnetic anomaly. BTW – anyone see this theory before? Jacob is a telepathic kid who gets “absorbed” by the unusual magnetic anomaly.

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