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		<title>By: What I Think about the Book &#8216;Fight Club&#8217; &#171; The Live Edge</title>
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		<dc:creator>What I Think about the Book &#8216;Fight Club&#8217; &#171; The Live Edge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] populist fascism can flourish here, and about why this is the perfect time for it.&#8221; The blog Kulterblog tells us that really, &#8220;despite its name and its singular popularity among men, this movie is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] populist fascism can flourish here, and about why this is the perfect time for it.&#8221; The blog Kulterblog tells us that really, &#8220;despite its name and its singular popularity among men, this movie is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: DKL</title>
		<link>http://www.kulturblog.com/2005/12/a-girls-guide-to-fight-club/comment-page-1/#comment-6878</link>
		<dc:creator>DKL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2005 08:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the deal with Bob: The pursuit of masculinity that he pursues with steroids that costs him his manhood is the scar-free, marble statue version of manhood. This is the stylized, feminine ideal of man. It is completely different from the hard-as-nails, push yourself to your limit version of manhood developed in fight club.

I vehemently disagree with Clark&#039;s analysis.

There&#039;s no ambiguity in the message of the story. As the book says, &quot;What you see at fight club is a generation of men raised by women.&quot; The description that follows outlines exactly the impact this has had on them. They&#039;ve never pushed themselves as men. They don&#039;t understand their own violent natures. They fear confrontation that pushes their limits as men.

The reason why a generation of men raised by women doesn&#039;t know any of this is because manhood isn&#039;t something that can be taught. It is something that can only be learned by doing. The first and second rules of fight club are &quot;you don&#039;t talk about fight club.&quot; Fight club is about doing, not talking. You recognize these people with their scars and bruises, and you exchange a knowing nod--there&#039;s nothing to be said.

In the end, it&#039;s popular to say that anything that celebrates manhood by opposing it to feminine ideals is misogynistic. But this is a misapplication of the word. Celebrating masculinity does not detract from femininity, nor is it necessarily hostile to it. Fight Club is not misogynistic, but it unapologetically celebrates manhood and bemoans the emasculation of men&#039;s roles in society.

It&#039;s also a cautionary tail. In another voice, I&#039;ve referred to it as a post-feminist horror flick. It portrays what men will do when society fails to contain them.

As far as Marla, she&#039;s a foil. It&#039;s difficult to see her as a full participant in the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the deal with Bob: The pursuit of masculinity that he pursues with steroids that costs him his manhood is the scar-free, marble statue version of manhood. This is the stylized, feminine ideal of man. It is completely different from the hard-as-nails, push yourself to your limit version of manhood developed in fight club.</p>
<p>I vehemently disagree with Clark&#8217;s analysis.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no ambiguity in the message of the story. As the book says, &#8220;What you see at fight club is a generation of men raised by women.&#8221; The description that follows outlines exactly the impact this has had on them. They&#8217;ve never pushed themselves as men. They don&#8217;t understand their own violent natures. They fear confrontation that pushes their limits as men.</p>
<p>The reason why a generation of men raised by women doesn&#8217;t know any of this is because manhood isn&#8217;t something that can be taught. It is something that can only be learned by doing. The first and second rules of fight club are &#8220;you don&#8217;t talk about fight club.&#8221; Fight club is about doing, not talking. You recognize these people with their scars and bruises, and you exchange a knowing nod&#8211;there&#8217;s nothing to be said.</p>
<p>In the end, it&#8217;s popular to say that anything that celebrates manhood by opposing it to feminine ideals is misogynistic. But this is a misapplication of the word. Celebrating masculinity does not detract from femininity, nor is it necessarily hostile to it. Fight Club is not misogynistic, but it unapologetically celebrates manhood and bemoans the emasculation of men&#8217;s roles in society.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also a cautionary tail. In another voice, I&#8217;ve referred to it as a post-feminist horror flick. It portrays what men will do when society fails to contain them.</p>
<p>As far as Marla, she&#8217;s a foil. It&#8217;s difficult to see her as a full participant in the story.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with NFlanders re: Palahniuk getting lucky writing Fight Club.  I loved the book and the movie.  Recently I purchased Haunted hoping I would enjoy it just as much as I did Fight Club.  It was horrible!!  Of course there were parts that I couldn&#039;t stop reading, just like I can&#039;t look away from a train wreck.  But in the future I will do my best to avoid any of his future writings. 

Still I loved the movie... and not just to appear cool to the boys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with NFlanders re: Palahniuk getting lucky writing Fight Club.  I loved the book and the movie.  Recently I purchased Haunted hoping I would enjoy it just as much as I did Fight Club.  It was horrible!!  Of course there were parts that I couldn&#8217;t stop reading, just like I can&#8217;t look away from a train wreck.  But in the future I will do my best to avoid any of his future writings. </p>
<p>Still I loved the movie&#8230; and not just to appear cool to the boys.</p>
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		<title>By: NFlanders</title>
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		<dc:creator>NFlanders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elisabeth-- How did you know what my book club is reading? Seriously, though, I&#039;d pick up the Ya-Ya Sisterhood before another Palahniuk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elisabeth&#8211; How did you know what my book club is reading? Seriously, though, I&#8217;d pick up the Ya-Ya Sisterhood before another Palahniuk.</p>
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		<title>By: Supergenius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Supergenius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2005 15:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait, what about the clam chowder??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait, what about the clam chowder??</p>
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		<title>By: D. Fletcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. Fletcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2005 15:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hate to break it to you, Supergenius, but he *was* &lt;i&gt;peeing&lt;/i&gt; in the soup. If you thought it was something else, you imagined it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hate to break it to you, Supergenius, but he *was* <i>peeing</i> in the soup. If you thought it was something else, you imagined it.</p>
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		<title>By: Supergenius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Supergenius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2005 05:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hate to break it to you, but he wasn&#039;t &lt;i&gt;peeing&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hate to break it to you, but he wasn&#8217;t <i>peeing</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Elisabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elisabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2005 04:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kaimi - interesting take. Living vicariously through others is thrilling (um, peeing in soup? Not so much. Splicing naughty pictures into family films? Um, no...)that it can become difficult to distinguish fantasy from reality (i.e., the fantasy becomes your reality), which, in this movie at least, leads to disastrous consequences.

D- thanks! I enjoyed the movie, too. No matter what Tess says. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kaimi &#8211; interesting take. Living vicariously through others is thrilling (um, peeing in soup? Not so much. Splicing naughty pictures into family films? Um, no&#8230;)that it can become difficult to distinguish fantasy from reality (i.e., the fantasy becomes your reality), which, in this movie at least, leads to disastrous consequences.</p>
<p>D- thanks! I enjoyed the movie, too. No matter what Tess says. <img src='http://www.kulturblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2005 22:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder just how many women really do like this movie, and how many women say they like this movie just to appear cool with the guys. (not that you&#039;re doing this, Elisabeth - I&#039;m just sayin&#039;).

I had to fast forward a lot of this movie because it was just too violent. But anyone who rents a movie called &quot;Fight Club&quot; knows what they are getting into.  

My opinion? Watch &quot;March of the Penguins&quot; instead...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder just how many women really do like this movie, and how many women say they like this movie just to appear cool with the guys. (not that you&#8217;re doing this, Elisabeth &#8211; I&#8217;m just sayin&#8217;).</p>
<p>I had to fast forward a lot of this movie because it was just too violent. But anyone who rents a movie called &#8220;Fight Club&#8221; knows what they are getting into.  </p>
<p>My opinion? Watch &#8220;March of the Penguins&#8221; instead&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: D. Fletcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. Fletcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2005 21:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too love Fight Club. And I loved your take on it Elisabeth -- bravo!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too love Fight Club. And I loved your take on it Elisabeth &#8212; bravo!</p>
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